Nov. 8, 2023

Cultivating Diversity: Innovative Strategies for Credit Unions

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With the right mix of innovation and growth, credit unions can prioritize community, culture, and informed decision-making in serving diverse markets.

Corlinda Wooden, SVP/Chief Retail Officer at Unitus Community Credit Union, discusses the development and execution of their comprehensive strategic plan aimed at serving diverse markets.

Driven by passionate leadership, their approach emphasizes authentic community engagement. Leveraging data insights, translation services, and strategic partnerships, the credit union tailored their offerings to meet the specific needs of their members.

Join us as we discuss:

  • How Unitus Credit Union developed a three-year strategy targeting the Hispanic community, founded on trust-building and authenticity
  • Understanding how data analytics guides growth opportunities and can shape a credit union's product offerings
  • How a combination of strategic partnerships, employee involvement, and the integration of AI brought success to the credit union's lending program
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You are listening to Leaders in Lending
from Upstart, a podcast dedicated to helping

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consumer lenders grow their programs and improve
their product offerings. Each week, here

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decision makers in the finance industry offer
insights into the future of the lending industry,

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best practices around digital transformation, and
more. Let's get into the show.

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Welcome to Leaders in Lending. I'm
your host, Jeff Kelner. This

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week's episode features my conversation with Corelinda
Wooden, the chief retail officer at United's

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Community Credit Union in Oregon. We
really delve into specifically an approach they developed

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in twenty nineteen to target growth in
the Hispanic community around where the credit union

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is, and the results they've seen
thanks really fascinating. It's a great example

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of what is both a business objective
in the DEI initiative not I think so

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often those can be seen as in
opposition, and here really achieving both great

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business results and helping a community that
truly underserved by existing products and services.

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She really talks through the products,
say had to build, the personnel changes,

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the processes, how they went about
building it, what they built,

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the results they've seen. It's a
fascinating story. Lots of great advice and

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experience that you can learn from and
take advantage of. So I really recommend

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this. It's a great story and
I think you'll really enjoy it as much

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as I did. So please enjoy
this conversation with Corel, Linda Wooden,

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Courlyn and welcome to the podcast,
and thanks for making the time to join

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us today. Thank you so much. Jeff, I'm glad to be here.

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Yeah, I'm excited for this conversation. I always like to start off

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to asking my guests a little bit
about how you ended up here. I

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know most of us didn't grow up
dreaming of being in the banking sectory,

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at least most people I've talked to
did not, and yet we're all here.

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So tell me a little bit about
your career path and what brought you

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to where you're at today. Yeah. Absolutely so. I actually had a

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friend of mine when I was a
senior in high school that said, Hey,

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I just got a job at a
bank down the road, and they're

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going to help pay for college.
You should look kin to that, so

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lo and behold, That's what I
did. The moment I turned eighteen,

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I went and applied for a large
national bank, and started out as a

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part time teller and got tuition reimbursement
while I went to college full time.

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Then from there it just actually turned
into a career and I started I worked

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my way up from you know,
a part time teller to the banker to

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the assistant manager branch manager, and
then moved over into the corporate training department.

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And from there I found the light
and moved over into the credit union

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space as we like to say,
and just continued to grow my career from

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there and now I'm a chief retail
officer. So it's been a fun ride

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along the way for sure. I
love that it's both a high school story

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and like a financial incentives for joining
to like, oh, they'll pay for

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college. I'm curious, was there
never a point in college or was there

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a point where you want, you
know, I did this thing to pay

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for school and now I'm in school, but like I found through my schooling

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experience, and that's not where I
want to go back. It's interesting to

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me that you start, you know, people launch their careers post college,

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and maybe I've heard a lot of
stories about getting an offer and starting in

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the industry and just kind of working
their way, but starting pre college and

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then sticking with it is an interesting
twist on that story. Tell me,

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was there a moment when you said, you know, this was nice that

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they paid for college, but I
don't think this is my co when I'm

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done or something you suck with the
whole way. Yeah, it's It's interesting

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in the sense that at the time, being a young woman, coding was

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coming out. It was really popular, and so I thought, oh,

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that's going to be something that can
you know, be a good wealth generation

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for me in the future. And
so I actually majored in the School business

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under Information Systems and Qualitative Analysis,
which is such a mouthful, and really

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what it is is it's like all
the IT space, you know, you

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learn around networking and database and coding
and business along the way. And I

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remember in the middle of the night
trying to code this program and it was

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just not coming to me, and
I thought, this is that's not for

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me, And so I double majored
at the last minute into management under the

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School Business as well. And then
I realized that leading people and developing people

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is my JM. That is my
passion, and the financial industry allowed me

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to do that, and so here
I am today. All right, that's

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great. I had similar moments in
college where I you know where I also

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majored in computer science might school called
computer engineering, which is some weird mix

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of computer science and electrical engineering.
But I remember something going, I'm pretty

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good at this, and I get
it, but like, there's a lot

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of people here who are really good
at this, and I'm not those people.

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Maybe I need to find a way
to be in the space, but

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not trying to compete with those guys, because they just like thought and code

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in a way that I never could. So I was like, well,

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I go ah, this is really
interesting stuff, but this is not what

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I need to do for the rest
of interesting. Well, I wanted to

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start our conversation with I think it
was a in twenty nineteen, a strategic

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plan around specifically the Hispanic market that
you got has developed. I want to

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kind of just understand the history and
genesis of that, because it was to

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me a really interesting story and kind
of plays the DEI angle a little bit.

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But it's also, I think,
very different than most of the DEI

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initiatives I hear about in a number
of ways. So I just would love

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to get kind of the background on
what that strategic planning process was, what

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the opportunities were, and then we'll
dive into it from there. Yeah.

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Absolutely, So when you think back, I had just rejoined the credit Union,

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so I had come off of a
stint of being a consultant for five

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years. And in that time I
had also worked for Filing Research Institute,

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and so I was helping credit unions
launch their IT in lending programs across the

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country. And so I had that
background and then I came back to the

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credit union and the role that I
have today. And my CEO had also

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come from credit unions in California prior
to coming to Unitas, and he had

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experience rolling out IT in lending at
his credit unions as well. So together

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we already had experience and knowledge and
passion about strengthening the support for the Hispanic

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community. And so with that,
we had attended actually a World Credit Union

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Council conference in the Bahamas in twenty
nineteen, and one of the action items

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our CEO, Stephen Stapp, he
does a really good job at any time

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we go to a conference of holding
a debrief session saying what did you learn,

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what do we want to apply?
And from there we created an action

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plan and we said, this is
a really great opportunity for us to better

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strengthen this in the Portland metro area
because we're not seeing a lot of that

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today. And so one, it
was a benefit of supporting a market that

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hasn't predominantly been supported by large financial
institutions today and so it was a good

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business opportunity for our credit union.
And two, it's doing the right thing

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and supporting marginalized communities that have not
had the same opportunities as others. And

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so from there we knew that this
is something that I always refer to it

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as a marathon and not a sprint. If you if you try and sprint

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into this, you're going to enter
it in a really disingenuine way. And

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we really wanted to build authentic trust
in the community. So with that,

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we created a three year strategic plan
and that plan was built into the strategy

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for the credit union. It was
something that the leadership team supported and had

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buy into, as well as our
board, and so from there that really

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started the foundation of our work.
So first of all, I want to

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ask to clarify one thing for anybody
who's not familiar, what is an it

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lending PERG. I know what it
is, and you know what it is.

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But in case our audience members were
not familiar with an iten lending program,

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what is that? Yes, great
question, thank you. Yeah.

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That is an individual tax ID number, So if you do not have a

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Social Security number, you can be
issued an individual tax ID number. Okay,

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And then I want to say that
the reason I thought this was such

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an interesting story is so often what
we think of is DEI initiatives come out

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of HR or out of somewhere,
and they're almost opposite to not opposite too,

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but they're kind of totally orthogonal to
business objectives. It's kind of like

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we're going to do this thing because
we feel like we should, but it's

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not really it's almost a cost center
versus a revenue driver versus a growth driver.

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It's like a thing we're going to
do that. Maybe it's some penalty

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to the ORG. And I hate
that way of thinking about it because it

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is really so much of a business
opportunity. You guys were really looking at

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it as this is an opportunity for
growth. This is an opportunity to bring

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in new customers or to drive more
business and to do the right thing at

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the same time, but not thinking
of it as oppositional to the objectives of

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the organization, which I think is
such a such a refreshing approach and such

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a more more sensible approach, because
generally you can't sustain things that are in

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opposition to the growth of the credit
union, Like you're just not going to

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maintain over time, you don't win
that marathon, right, you pull off

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to the sime go forget this because
the short term priorities take over. Tell

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me a little bit about what the
you talked about the business opportunity, How

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did you think about what that opportunity
was quantifying what you thought you were missing

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out on or what was out there
to be taken advantage of. How did

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you think about what that opportunity looked
like. Yeah, So we partnered with

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another amazing support group called Copera,
and Copera supports credit unions in this space,

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not only with the Hispanic community,
but multi community or multicultural communities in

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general, and they were able to
take a look at, you know,

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within a five mile radius of each
of our branch locations today, what is

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the current demographic and what is it
predicted to be five years from now,

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and so that told us right there
the growth of the Hispanic market was so

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significant that it was an easy slam
dunk to be able to show that demographic

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data and gain that buy in to
say this is absolutely an opportunity. The

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other piece of it is, you
know, in the credit union space,

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oftentimes we have a higher average age
of member, and there's always an opportunity

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to look for that younger member,
and Hispanic community allows for that opportunity as

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well. So not only are you
growing members, but you're growing younger members.

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Yeah. I thought that was really
interesting data that came for you because

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you're not in the traditional you know, more southern areas where everybody kind of

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intuitively expects that there is a high
growth Hispanic population. You know, you're

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origin, You're in a place it's
it's not as naturally just go hey,

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yeah, of course there's a growing
Hispanic market that you see there, at

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least that is not my natural acquatus. It is really interesting that you have

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in that data that said even here
we have a really large growing population,

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it's not being well served by the
current institutions, are not service as built

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for them. So that was to
me a really interesting finding given that you're

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not you know where you're located.
Yeah, it's definitely. Data always helps

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drive solutions. I always love to
see the data vaque at So talk to

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me about like you have a strategic
plan. You see the opportunity, you

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know, what's what's step one?
Like, where do you go from there?

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What are the things that you do
that you have been doing that have

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been effective and serving that. There's
obviously any number of things directions you could

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go. Talk to me about where
you went and what was kind of on

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the list of to do is when
you say this is an opportunity we should

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be chasing. Yeah, I always
said that. Twenty nineteen and really a

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little bit of twenty twenty was us
getting our ducks in a row, if

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you will. It was just us
understanding how are we currently serving the market

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today? What are the products and
services we have? What are the ways

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that we can serve them? So, how many Spanish English speaking employees do

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we have? And really trying to
figure out, Okay, if we want

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to do this, well, what
are the pieces that we need to include

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in our pie if you will.
So if you break it out into four

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different quadrants you can think of,
you've got your personnel, You've got your

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products and services, you have your
your processes, and then you have your

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partnerships and promotional opportunities. And so
we were really looking at how do we

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want to make sure that we're tackling
all of these because if you don't,

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if you go after one and not
the other, you won't be successful.

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And there is a specific order that
you have to it as well, right,

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so it's like that pyramid. You
have to have your foundation set in

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order to continue to grow. And
so for us, it was really understanding,

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you know, do we have the
right products and services, And that

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came from having actual conversations with the
community to say, you know, what

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are the gaps you see today,
understanding in the market, you know,

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just by knowing our different local competitors
and other pieces what is out there today,

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and then creating adjustment. So for
us, we had item lending already,

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but we needed to enhance it even
further. We needed to assess what

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is the documentation that we require,
you know, will we allow a matricular

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consolar ID for example, So those
are some a couple updates. And then

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we also just by having that conversation
with the community when we said what are

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some gaps that you see today.
They were able to share that we want

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to be able to have a remittance
product essentially, so we want to be

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able to send money to our friends
and family overseas with a click of a

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button from our phone. So from
that we were able to I did some

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research on some different opportunities and then
we formed a partnership with remittly and now

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we have over a million that gets
sent out on a yearly basis. And

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so that was just a need that
existed to find a way to you know,

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conveniently and safely and cost effectively send
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just an example. And then another
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immigration loan, so iten mortgages are
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then with the immigration loan, we
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of those you know, flooding in
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know is that it would help build
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hey know that you're you know,
you're striving to you know, achieve your

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American dream if you will, and
so we're going to help you do that,

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whether it's getting your foot in the
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it's literally getting your foot in the
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mortgage. Well, let's you start
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your pyramid? You do a survey, here's the products that people you may

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need to improve or or add to
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You got, you got your four
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Yeah, I would say the personnel
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those products simultaneously while you're working on
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so we actually we did a couple
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you know, we started out with
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really came down to, you know, getting those connections with our recruiting efforts

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and making sure that we were you
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right areas, and then really developing
training that meant the needs when folks came

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in. Plus, we also launched
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they were interested in learning, and
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to strengthen it all around. And
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sent out so Copera helped us send
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board initially, and we learned in
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that people weren't you know, there
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that you know, I'm rejecting this
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weren't in the fully embraced. So
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we actually were in the comply is
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the complying range. So and that
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the survey and folks said, okay, we read the comments in addition to

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the scoring, and the comments were
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we think this is a great opportunity, but we don't think we're going

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to do a good job at it. So we don't have Spanish speaking employees,

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you know, so there was just
it was there was concern around how

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can we make sure that we do
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this, and then you fast forward
to just last year, we resent out

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the survey again and now we're up
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of your employees and board members are
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So it's been really exciting, but
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Well, it's fascinating because that the
employee concern seemed to mirror the concerns I

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think any executive our team running the
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it's easy to say you're going to
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do it well and actually support those
customers in their native language through personnel.

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I know you also have to translate
the website in legal documents, and it's

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to be pretty complicated to get everything
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that wants to transact in Spanish.
How was that process for it? I

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know that when I've been through companies
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feels like, I mean, it's
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it, right, it should be
pretty easy, and then you peel back

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the endie you're like, oh no, it's not that easy at all,

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financial services so tell me a little about

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actually being able to provide not just
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experiences, websites in a different language. Yeah, that's a great point

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as well. And one of my
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is progress over perfection. So we
won't be able. There's some things that

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you just cannot perfect overnight, but
you want to continue to show improvement,

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and the translation is definitely one of
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this, we had a landing page
that was in Spanish and that was it,

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but it was enough to show the
community, hey, here's some products

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and services we think that you would
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forward to they Now we have our
website fully translated, and I'm proud to

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say we are the first credit union
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assistant or a chatbot in Spanish,
and so it just shows that, you

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know, we're continuing to evolve and
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I mean, we've been doing this
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have everything fully translated, and we
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along this you know behind the scenes. Yeah, And it does become one

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of those burden in a certain way, which is like when you want to

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launch a new product, it's like, do we have to for anything new

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we want to do a new page, we need to have both versions.

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Does it become a slowing down on
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aren't targeted at that community? Necessarily
we go, oh my gosh, So

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everything have to take twice as long
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progress over perfection and get there over
time. Right, and today when we

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look at that now we not all
are we translating it, but we also

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have a firm that helps us with
transcreation. So that's making sure that our

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message is not only translated, but
it means what we the intention behind it

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exists, and so that's another important
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translation process. It reminds me of
the to ever hear the story about the

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you know, they took the Chevy
Nova and they tried to sell it in

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Spanish speaking markets without and they left
the name Nova, which roughly speaking means

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no go. Yeah, it's a
car market. This is this is that

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doesn't work card and nobody bought it, then well why doesn't we buy?

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You got to think about these things, right, It's not just a little

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You got to think about what's actually
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So fassing was there? What's the
top? So what we've we've kind of

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gone through products and personnel. What's
the last phases for you? Are the

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kind of the tip of the pyramid
if you will, Yeah, I would

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say it's the promotion piece of it. So the next is you're developing those

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partnerships. So for us, we
have a really strong partnership with our Hispanic

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Metropolitan Chamber. We signed a memorandum
of understanding with our Mexican Consulate and so,

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you know, just finding those partnerships
where folks already have trust and then

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that trust can faster translate over to
the credit union and then from there,

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it's getting the word out. It's
making sure that you're shouting it from the

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rooftops and you feel confident that you're
ready to hit the ground running and execute

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well. And so what are the
the highline results, Like, what have

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you guys seen as a success from
the reach top of the paramid you're promoting?

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What does success look like for you
guys? Is a great story,

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but I kin one of the final
chapter, at least another final chapter has

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yet to be ridden with the current. That's right. You got to speak

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to the heart and the mind,
right, you got to have that data

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as well. So when you think
about the data, we've actually seen hot

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off the presses as of July this
year, thirty seven percent growth in our

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Hispanic community just of members of Unite
US alone. And to see that double

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digit growth is pretty phenomenal, and
we're not seeing that across are non Hispanic

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you know it is, it is
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So that's been really inspiring. We
also have over nearly fifteen million in

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iten lending on the books and so
that continues to perform really well, and

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you know, from a delinquency standpoint, it outperforms our non it in portfolio.

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So we continue to perform well and
do so in a safe and risk

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effective way for the credit union.
Well, if that's not a selling point

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for the credit unions to hop on
boy, I don't know a single credit

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union who wouldn't envy thirty plus percent
growth in any demographic. But to also

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have portfolios that are performing better than
your traditional portfolio, that's a pretty that's

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astounding, right. Often we think
of those things as trade off. I

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can attract the customers, but they'll
be riskier and harder, and you know,

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to have customers that are actually performing
very well and growing very rapidly is

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kind of like so what everybody's looking
for. So that's a that's a pretty

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awesome story. I love it.
Anything else, you know, through a

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lot of stuff here on the story. But is there anything I didn't ask

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I should have asked about the program
or something we missed? I guess.

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I will also say that, you
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our employees. So not only did
we recruit and hire some you know,

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really talented folks, but we want
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so you know, we invest in
them. We have through the Hispanic

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Metropolitan Chamber, we have Latina Leadership
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multiple month program where it's actually folks
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all our financial institution, in fact, only a handful are so it's just

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giving them a well balanced leadership development
growth, which is exciting. And then

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there's another partnership that I would be
remissed to not mention, which is with

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Inclusive. So that's another partner similar
to Copera that has really helped us and

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with Inclusive. In twenty twenty one, we've received our hunto Soavenzamos designation,

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which stands for Together We Advance and
it's a designation given to credit unions that

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have really been vetted, if you
will, it's you we go through an

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assessment to say, here are the
ways that we're serving the community, and

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do you feel like we are doing
what it takes to do so in an

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effective manner? And so it's a
really proud designation. We were the second

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credit union in the state of Oregon
to receive that and now there's four with

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many more I'm sure to come.
So it just continues to be a good

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partnership. Awesome. You've mentioned a
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internal work, but also a lot of

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partnerships that you've worked on. I'm
just curious if you have advice for others

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looking for partnerships or how you found
the right partners, support that initiative,

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because it's a really interesting balance of
the work you're doing internally to build a

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new product or support hiring and training
employees in a different way and to translate

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the website, and then the partnerships
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that mission'squant curious how you think about
finding and and making those kind of partnerships

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really effective. Yeah, I would
say some of it just comes from industry

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experience, you know. So I
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I was working with Fidline Research Institute, and then my CEO had also worked

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with both of them just throughout his
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that is just that industry experience.
Part of it is also, you know,

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when you go to conferences and you
make those connections, is you network

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and you get to know people and
you hear what are you working, you

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know who's helping you, what are
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your communities and knowing who are those
folks that you know are have similar visions.

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So when we think about our community
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that we're aligned in our purpose and
our passion and our vision. And then

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once you find those and really making
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I love it. Well, that's
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pretty well and we will almost hit
perfectly the time we're aiming for. But

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I do have the standard three questions
I like to ask everybody at the end,

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So if you don't mind, I'm
gonna throw them at you, not

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rapid fire, but one appter the
other. Here. My first question is

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always what's the best piece of career
advice you've ever gotten? Yeah, I

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would say it's you don't have to
be the smartest person in the room.

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Just surround yourself with talented individuals and
the magic will come from there. You

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know, I'm a huge believer in
the strength finders, and you know,

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following like I said, with my
college career right like, that was not

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my strength. So tap into the
areas that make me feel good and I'm

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strong at and continue to develop and
grow. And so I would say,

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once you do that, then making
sure that you're also reminding yourself along the

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way that you need to continue to
develop them and yourself and just be that

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that constant learner. I feel like
that's that piece of advice is hardest to

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follow as you start getting into management
and leadership, because people feel like when

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they're the leader of a team and
they're in the room, like they should

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know all the things that the people
in the room know and be able to

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answer the question. And I think
it could be really intimidated. I feel

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like, but I'm in this room
and I don't know how to answer that

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question. But I'm the leader of
the room, and does that mean I'm

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that That can be where you start
to feel imposterius from that sense of like

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you should feel good that there's people
in the room smarter than you are.

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I think is the hardest to tolld
Onto. It's easy when you're twenty two

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and you walk for you, I'm
a room flow really smart people. It's

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a gram in a good place.
And then it's harder when you're like,

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wait a minute, I'm leading all
the people in this room and they're all

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smarter than me, and that's intimidating. And that's something where I always want

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wait, I have to step back
and go, this is a good thing.

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I like this, even if it
is a little bit intimidating for me

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individually, particularly the position of leadership. I love that advice. Second question,

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what's the best advice you've got?
I'm going to say about the credit

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union space. I'm going to say
the banking space, because I know we're

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in the we're talking about credit unions
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advice you've ever gotten? Best industry
advice, I would say, and I

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think it would apply probably more.
I'm go back and forth because I did

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have about ten years in the banking
and before I made the switch to credit

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unions. But it's like risk is
always a concern. We talked about it

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earlier in our session, right,
and always if you're ever in doubt,

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pilot something that is the best way
to just get things going, get the

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kinks work out, and then you
can learn either you fail fast or holy

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snops, this worked out really well. Let's go and take it a step

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further, Let's invest even further with
it. And I think of that even

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when you look at you know,
like our eye tend mortgages, we didn't

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just go out there with an uncapped
let's just lend it everybody. You know.

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We did so in a prudent way, saying okay, we'll lend up

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to you know, x million,
and we haven't quite hit that number yet,

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but it allows us to do so
in a way that helps us test

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it. And so I would just
say, went end out, pilot it.

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Yeah. I love that advice because
I feel like so often the risk

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analysis in the financial institition is black
white, yes, no, and it's

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done with a almost with the perspective
like what of our whole portolio was in

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this kind of category of loan and
you go, well, yeah, we

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might not do that, but that's
not what we're suggesting. And the idea

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of a pilot or a limited scope
as a real risk mitigent that allows you

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to try and learn, I think
is underutilized it too often. We're trying

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to take the analysis as that this
is going to be like ninety percent of

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your assets are going to be in
this thing, and like what if it

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does this risk and that's going to
go what hold on? If we're piloting

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it, we're going to learn it. If it does that, then whole

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stop. But like let's let's figure
this out before we make a final decision.

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And I think that's it. Just
so often I see institutions go too

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far the other way and then they
just make it almost impossible to try new

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things when they do that, and
I think that's really difficult for folks.

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So I love that advice as well. All Right, last one for you,

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Corolina, what is one bold prediction
about the future. Well, I

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think it's been a hot topic one
not only in the industry but also in

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our own household having students right now. But AI, I think, AI

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is you know something that it's here, whether some folks are ready to acknowledge

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it or not. And I think
it's only going to get stronger and stronger

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in our lives and become more predominant. And so when you think about that

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in our space, whether it's you
know, financial institutions or credit unions in

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general, it's how can we embrace
it versus be afraid of it? And

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that's the piece of opportunity. That's
the prediction I think is like those that

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embrace it are going to win out
and those that run from it are not.

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So I love it now as a
parent, Are you like embracing it

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for the utilization of hope. I
will I will say I've told my kids

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not to use it, but occasionally
when they ask me for help with their

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homework, I got chat gpten seg
how would you solve this problem? And

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then I'm like, oh, that's
yeah, it's very helpful for me.

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But how do you think about it? You know, on the personal level,

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I think it's a tremendous tool,
and I'm kind of curious where you're

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at on the using it yourself and
with the family. So that's like it's

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a harder distinction, right, and
it's harder to and it makes me wonder,

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to be honest, if what the
kids are being asked to do and

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go, yeah, it turns out
taking bullet points and turning into a five

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page SA just not interesting anymore,
right, Like that's not the skill that's

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needed. So I'm very curious how
they're going to change how our kids are

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taught based on the availability of large
language models and AI that can do certain

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things, not everything, but certain
things that it used to be kind of

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like when they used to I feel
like it's when they used to fight the

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calculators in school. Going you have
to be able to do it was arithmetic

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that like we teach higher order math
now because I don't have to do six

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digit numbers multiplied together by hand,
I can just put it in the calculator

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and that's I don't think it made
us dumber. It's just we had to

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figure out what the next thing to
learn and to teach was tak advantage of

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that and then and then allow us
to do new stuff. But I'm curious

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your take on it as a parent. Yeah, I think you've said it

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quite well actually, And for us
it's always been don't use it as your

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crutch. Use it as your tool
to make you even better. So it's

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not there to save you per se. You still have to, you know,

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bring forward your thought, bring forward
your strategy, and then let it

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help you enhance your your content or
your work even further. But don't let

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it create it for you. So
that's been our model in our household.

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I like it. Well, we're
all navigating this new world together. But

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I love the prediction. This is
will be the future for financial services and

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the question is who's going to figure
out how to do it well and take

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advantage And those institutions are likely to
do better than those that don't. So

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wonderful prediction. I agree with you
so on and a lot to ulter into

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the fire and bring you back,
but I think that's a great place to

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leave it. Thanks so much for
making the time today and joining us.

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I really appreciate it. Thank you
so much, Jeff. It's been a

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